Waterboarding ISN’T Torture?

It is positively AMAZING to me that in this day and age there are those who think they can get away with saying nothing when asked a direct question. More to the point, that others allow them to NOT answer the question. I’m not talking about the average Janet or Joe on the street, but our elected or appointed officials. Why do we tolerate this to continue? Why don’t the Citizens of the United States rise up in arms and demand answers of these sorry excuses for leadership?

YouTube – Mukasey: Waterboarding is Torture if It’s Torture

The above is an incredible video of the ineptitude of Congress. I mean, how hard is it to get a yes or no answer from someone? The answer that Mukasey gave is NO answer and should NOT have been acceptable to anyone, let alone Congress. Makes me wonder if these men have any testicles at all! “If it’s torture, it is Unconstitutional”, IF??? Let’s put Mukasey under waterboarding and see what he says then, shall we?

U.S. Acknowledges Use of Waterboarding

On only 3 high value detainees? Wanna bet? If you believe this I have some beach front property in Arizona for you.

To dodge the question of Constitutionality is a dangerous wordplay that U.S. Citizens should be wary of. Since no-one will SAY it is torture, that gives the CIA, the Military, and other Law-enforcement the ability to use this despicable practice on whomever they feel like. Since our government is set on moving towards a totalitarian government where you and I are slaves of the state, this should highly concern all of you! I know it does me.

Is it any wonder that Bush wanted this man confirmed? Bush is constantly saying one thing and doing something else. For the good of the people, for the war against terror, for the children, etc. Ya, right! I’ve got your ocean front property right here Mr.Bush.

American barbarity By Stan Cohen
How do you justify the unspeakable? Simply invoke the threat of terrorism, says Stan Cohen

‘‘Once upon a time,” begins a quite extraordinary editorial in the New York Times from late last year, “it was the United States that urged all nations to obey the letter and the spirit of international treaties and protect human rights and liberties. American leaders denounced secret prisons where people were held without charges, tortured and killed. People in the rest of the world … respected the United States for its values.” A fairy-tale history, but then the editorial gets real: the Bush administration has dishonored this history. They condoned the systemic practice of torture and ill-treatment in secret extra-legal detention centers; they covered up and lied at domestic and international levels. And the interrogation methods used – such as the infamous water-boarding technique (simulated drowning) – fit all known definitions of torture. The White House could never acknowledge this. So its lawyers “concocted documents” to redefine torture to “neatly exclude” the things American jailers were doing and to free them and their political masters from all accountability.

Whoosh: in an ordinary 800-word editorial (no legal arguments, no shocking exposés), the mainstream national “newspaper of record” takes as obvious what legal scholars, moral philosophers and human rights activists have been struggling to establish for some eight years. Forget all those debates, articles and conferences, all those vitriolic attacks on the UN and international law; surely you know that we Americans torture but pretend that we don’t? All those claims made by what the White House scornfully called the “reality-based community” are true after all.

This ready acknowledgment of the once unspeakable has led in two directions. The first is to construct narratives to make sense of what’s happened. How did the US come to adopt a policy of state-sanctioned torture that was soon approved or at least passively condoned by most of the population? Is this American exceptionalism at work – or an example of Good People doing Bad Things under Exceptional Circumstances (another emblematic episode of torture by democracies – France in Algeria, Israel in the Occupied Territories, and Britain in Northern Ireland)? A more radical counter-narrative insists that there is no historical break to explain; torture is continuous with the American past. This thesis appears in recent books with titles like American Methods: Torture and the Logic of Repression (by Kristian Williams) and Truth, Torture and the American Way (Jennifer Harbury). There is an even more portentous narrative: the Return of Torture at the global level. From 11 September onwards we allegedly entered the “Age of Torture”: the catastrophic threat of terrorism to personal and public security allows all previous inhibitions and prohibitions to be suspended.

The threat of terrorism is taken to explain the need for innovative and pro-active measures to protect democracy and security. This leads to the second set of questions posed by the New York Times editorial. If torture can be defended like this, then perhaps it should be. The time has come to demystify the Enlightenment taboo. The policy thought to have been relegated to the dustbin of history (Zola wrote in the 19th century that the word “torture” could be erased from future dictionaries) is now reopened for discussion. The debate “for” and “against” torture becomes more than a classroom exercise for jurisprudence students. White House lawyers now actually talk about a “new paradigm” for discussing torture. This starts by formalising exceptions, rather than with the essential logic of the prohibition against torture – which is exactly like the prohibition against rape, genocide or slavery. The point of a prohibition being absolute is that no circumstances allow exceptions.

The creeping re-legitimation of torture is not a simple story of “pure” legality being hijacked by political interests. Law is a “plastic medium of discourse”. This means that the appeal to righteous justifications is invariably combined with the quite different but equally lethal claim that what is being done is not torture anyway. The bad press received by Judge Michael Mukasy, President Bush’s recent nominee for Attorney-General, dwelt on Mukasy’s apparent doubts about whether water-boarding is “really” torture. But Mukasy expressed a more radical doubt: whether the provisions of the Geneva Convention even apply to today’s enemy combatant who is “a very different kind of person” – not the same kind of person, that is, whom the Enlightenment had in mind.

Hardly the time for “radicals” to be posturing about the welcome death of Enlightenment values. Auschwitz survivor Jean Amery once recalled a momentary vision of his Nazi torturer reaching out for an implement of pain while still “stored in his head” is something of Kant, Hegel and the Nine Symphonies. This is obviously a call to take these values more rather than less seriously.

Are We The People going to let our government officials get away with this? Are we as humans going to allow other humans to be tortured when one day the torture may come our way because we sat back and did nothing? What will it take to make American’s wake up and smell the coffee?

CIA Destroyed Waterboarding Tapes Video
CIA Destroyed Waterboarding Tapes. “It was Richard Nixon’s profound Former CIA Agent Who Witnessed Extra ordinary.

To say that I am disappointed in the leadership of this country is to say that waterboarding isn’t torture. We The People need to come together and make our government understand that we will NOT allow this to continue. Our young men and women of the armed services are dying out there. If we allow torture in this country they are exposed and vulnerable to it OUT THERE. Time to quit sticking our heads in the sand and let our leaders know THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN IN AMERICA!

The healthy man does not TORTURE others — generally it is the TORTURED who turn into TORTURERS. Carl Jung 1875-1961, Swiss Psychiatrist

~ by justmytruth on February 22, 2008.

3 Responses to “Waterboarding ISN’T Torture?”

  1. Yeah, and maybe banging our heads against brick walls won’t hurt………..ROFLMAO

  2. Thank you for the excellent comment swfreedomlover! I agree with you 100%. Maybe if we both yell into the dark long enough someone will hear us……..

  3. Another excellent piece!! Why the committee just sat back and said “I’m very disappointed in that answer” instead of just telling him to answer the simple question with the very simple “yes or no” that it required is mind boggling. These people have NO clue. They play with words thinking WE are too stupid to see it. The sad fact is that most people have been scared into stupidity/blindness with all the fear mongering. The terrorists don’t have to do another thing to us………..our own government is finishing their attack. They wanted us afraid, and our government complied by instilling constant fear in us.

    Torture is torture, no matter how you slice it. IF we allow it here, using “exceptional circumstances” as our excuse; then other countries who capture our soldiers have the same right to do the same thing. We will NOT have any right to decry our soldiers being tortured.

    We used to be respected for our stand on human rights, civility, treatment of “enemy” soldiers. Thanks to this administration, we are no longer respected. Bush has managed to turn most of the world against us. They now see us as hypocrites.

    And STILL the people sit back and think any of the front runners in the presidential race will be different?

    The masses have been dumbed down and I can only think it is my smoking that has managed to keep me from being as stupid and blind as the majority seem to be.

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